Monday, May 4, 2009

Is christianty paulism?

The True Founder of Christianity


The teachings of Paul, the true founder of Christianity, cannot be found anywhere in the teachings of Jesus or in those of prophets before him.





The following are some of the innovations that Paul introduced into "his" religion of Christianity.





1. The divinity of Jesus


2. The trinity


3. Atonement


4. Salvation by faith





it seems as though jesus was born and died like millions of people. maybe he was special maybe not. there were plenty of people who had special abilities in the past that wernt god. the point is chriostianity was formed after his death. it wasnt his religion it was pauls. paul just created a religion based on his acount of a man who died many eyars before him





***- credit goes to one of the members on this site with a nickname like a27z or something like that for asking some key questions

Is christianty paulism?
I read a27z's answer to your previous question, and it seems to me that you aren't looking for answers, you're only looking for people to agree with you. This is a sad state of affairs.





Paul did not create Christianity. He did not invent the divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, the Atonement or Salvation by faith.





Jesus, Himself, indicated His own divinity on numerous occasions.





For instance, when Peter said "You are the anointed son of God", Jesus said "You are right."





When the crowds wanted to stone Jesus, and he asked WHY, they said that it was because he claimed equlity with God.





When Jesus was on trial, the high priest asked him, "Are you the son of God?" Jesus said "yes!"





John 1:1 says that "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" ... (v14) "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."





The book of revelations, written by John the beloved while exiled on the island of Patmos, indicated that Jesus is "the First and the Last, the Beginning and the Ending", just as God (Jehovah, if you please) said in Isaiah.





Paul's conversion was recorded in the book of Acts, as written by Luke, the very same Luke that wrote one of the gospels, and Luke also pointed out that the divinity of Jesus.





The concept of the Trinity starts back in Genesis 1, when it says "B'raishish bara Elohim (not "Eloheinu") es ha'sh'mayim v'es ho'oretz" - "In the beginning Elohim (God, pleural, not God singular) created the heavens and the earth." Farther down, it says, "And God (Elohim-pleural) said, 'Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness'."





Atonement by the blood of a sacrificial lamb was presented in the Law as "a shadow of better things to come", and when John baptized Jesus, he cried out, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."





Salvation is always by faith. "Abraham BELIEVED God, and that was accounted to him for his righteousness."
Reply:in a word, "yes"





and in re "not taking credit" ... take it the


passive-aggressive way left-hand-self back-patting





Tao-of-the-guilt-trip








Pizzaboy, the scales have fallen from your eyes LOLOL
Reply:You need to do some more research.





Paul was an apostle of God.


True Christianity is central to the teachings of Jesus Christ.


The atonement for mans sins, came about through Jesus


CHrist's, death on Calvary's cross, His Burial,and resurrection


from the grave; not the apostle Paul.
Reply:Yes the Pauline nonsense replaced the teachings of Jesus and became the religion we know of today as Christianity.





Love and blessings Don
Reply:Paul did not teach the trinity.





Paul taught us to worship the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.





Please note that the context “of” is the same as “his God and Father”.


Please note that the context always makes the God and Father separate from Lord Jesus.





Jesus:





(John 17:3) 3 This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.





Paul:





(Romans 15:5-6) 5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant YOU to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 that with one accord YOU may with one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.





(1 Corinthians 15:24) 24 Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power.





(2 Corinthians 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort,





(2 Corinthians 11:31) 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, even the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.





(Galatians 1:3-5) 3 May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and [the] Lord Jesus Christ. 4 He gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from the present wicked system of things according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.





(Ephesians 1:3) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,





(Ephesians 1:17) 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give YOU a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him;





(Ephesians 4:6) 6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all.





(Ephesians 5:20) 20 in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ giving thanks always for all things to our God and Father.





(Philippians 4:20) 20 Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen.





(1 Thessalonians 1:3-4) 3 for we bear incessantly in mind YOUR faithful work and [your] loving labor and [your] endurance due to [your] hope in our Lord Jesus Christ before our God and Father. 4 For we know, brothers loved by God, his choosing of YOU,





(1 Thessalonians 3:11-13) 11 Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus direct our way prosperously to YOU. 12 Moreover, may the Lord cause YOU to increase, yes, make YOU abound, in love to one another and to all, even as we also do to YOU; 13 to the end that he may make YOUR hearts firm, unblamable in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.





James:





(James 1:27) 27 The form of worship that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world.





Peter:





(1 Peter 1:3-4) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for YOU,





John:





(Revelation 1:5-6) 1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 5 . . .To him that loves us and that loosed us from our sins by means of his own blood— 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.





Jesus, Paul, James, Peter and John all taught the same.





As to Atonement and Salvation, You are mislead about these also.





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Reply:You seem to have missed a few Gospel passages:





Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I AM: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. :63 Then the high priest rent his clothes, and saith, What need we any further witnesses? :64 Ye have heard the blasphemy:...





John 8:19 Then they said unto Him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also. 20 These words spake Jesus in the treasurey, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.





John 8:24, "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."





John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
Reply:Non-sense! All this Anti-Christian stuff is garbage and bad history.
Reply:While I am not a Christian, I agree that the non-Trinitarian view of God seems more sensible. You might want to look at the non-Trinitarian versions of Christianity.





I would suggest looking into these Christian churches which are all non-Trinitarian: Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Bible Students, American Unitarian Conference, Arian Catholic Church, Oneness Pentecostal, UU Christian Fellowship, etc. Swedenborgianism (look up Swedenborg on Wikipedia) was also non-Trinitarian. Perhaps one of these may speak to your condition. You can find all of them doing an online search.





While it is true that LDS Mormons do not believe in the Trinity, they have a doctrine of Godhead and eternal progression which is more polytheistic than monotheistic.
Reply:In a single word, Yes





Without Paul Christianity would have likely been a small Jewish sect that would have likely died out just as the Sadducees did.
Reply:Ijust have a question, then:





Did PAUL die for our sins, or did Christ?





I never see Paul promoting himself, but I DO see him giving ALL credit to Jesus.
Reply:You need to go back and read the whole Bible every word you have missed a lot.
Reply:It is quite funny that Paul would be the creator of a religion of people he persecuted and killed before converting himself.
Reply:Yes all these are true facts...but no christian will accept it..





they are brain washed from their young age and even if they know that their religion is a construct of all false ideas %26amp; beliefs, they still keep propagating those things and keep saying theirs is the only truth...





pity jesus, for he has become the reason for destroying centuries and centuries old of civilization and bring in a way of life which is completely intolerant and doesnt suit humanity to meet its actual final goal.





No religion is false, its like going from truth to higher truth...


our life is a constant search for truth..


but every religion has false ideas and beliefs..that was made over time...


its really bad that christians only follow the false ideas and beliefs and leave away the truth behind their religion.
Reply:No Christianity is following Jesus. Jesus picked his disciples and spent years teaching them and preparing them for life without him. Paul (Saul) killed Christians until he accepted Jesus. Paul spent the rest of his life working for Christ. Christianity is faith in God thought Jesus, not in Paul.
Reply:It was started by Jesus Himself. He sent His disciples out to preach the gospel. It wasn't started by Paul, or Peter, or Constantine. It was started by Jesus. That's the very reason He came. He came to die for our sins. It was GOD'S plan of salvation, not Paul's, not Peter's. GOD'S!


Paul was selected by Jesus Himself to spread the Word. Paul didn't go looking for it. He was killing Christian's for crying out loud. It was Jesus who stopped him on that road, and blinded him, and then showed him the LIGHT. Paul didn't make this stuff up. The Bible is the inspired word of God. It speaks the truth, and that's all it can do, because it comes from God. You can question it all you want, but I know the truth, and so do all true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.


It isn't "Paul's" religion. It's Jesus' Truth. God Bless
Reply:In my opinion it is Paulism. He had quite an agenda and he was a spy. Like I've always said. Xianity was an ingenious plan. It has destroyed the will of the people and kept them in a prison of their own making.
Reply:Pizzaboy, you really need to study the Bible yourself, with prayer, asking for wisdom, knowledge and understanding of the will of God.





God be with you,


William, a bond-servant of Jesus


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Reply:Well, don't forget that a lot of it is also Augustiniaism.





So blend Paulism with Augustinianism and there ya have it.
Reply:I would recommend you to please log on to metahistroy.org and read the works of John Lash on Gnosticism before you come to any conclusion in this regard. But visit this site with an open mind and it can change your views forever.
Reply:Yes. Christianity could have come into being without Jesus, but never without Paul.


Nurse or Vet Nurse?

Should i become a vet nurse/assistant or a people nurse?


Which gets paid better?


and how many eyars do i have to be in college for a people nurse and a vet nurse?


which do you think is better?

Nurse or Vet Nurse?
I think it depends on what your interests are. If you love working with animals or people.


Nursing careers dealing with humans would likely pay more in most areas but wouldn't necessarily be as rewarding for someone that prefers caring for animals.

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I am bulgarian and I heve wriths to work in u.k?

I AM GOING TO U.K ABOUT THE FOR WORK SO PLS. TELL ME I HEVE WRITHS TO WORK IN U.K AND HOW MANY EYARS THE GIVE ME RESIDAT IN U.K PARMENENT OUR TEMPRAL THNK'S AND GOD BLESS YOU.

I am bulgarian and I heve wriths to work in u.k?
You don't have an automatic right to work in the UK. Work permits from Bulgaria and Romania are restricted, even though you are now part of the EU.


You must read the UK government information before you make any decision:


http://workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_...





In any event, there are no jobs in the UK.
Reply:i will write your question you re post it





cancel that i cant decipher it
Reply:As you are a member of the EU you have the right to move here and work here for as long as you wish. However as you are from Bulgaria you have to gain permission to work, this will involve proving that you have a job and that it will be benificial to the UK for you to work and you wont be taking a job from a british national.





You should contact your local council to enquire how you go about getting permission to work
Reply:Zdraveite! You have no automatic right to work in the UK, despite Bulgaria now being a member of the EU. The same restriction also applies to Romania.





Do not attempt to come to the UK without researching this properly, or you will be very dissapointed.





Your lack of skill with the english language is likely to be big problem for you.





Vie imate nushda ot opitvate uchate da govorite angliski podobre!
Reply:May I suggest using your spell checker. You will not be taken seriously if you cannot produce a half decent resume. Good Luck in your endeavours.
Reply:may i suggest that you improve your english to improve your job chances.


competition for jobs is strong in england,


think about what you are doing carefully


xxx
Reply:the airport can tell you which plane you can **** off on


Can you sue someone for this?

I posted a naked picture of myself on a website for fun a dew eyars ago. A girl that doesnt like me found the picture, and sent it to all her friends via the internet, and all of my friends via the internet. Are there any laws where this could be considered wrong? Can i file any charges against her for this?

Can you sue someone for this?
Nope!





The internet is not private and how could you think you have a privacy issue when you are the one that posted it?





The only thing you could possibly do is sue for copyright infringement, but I doubt a lawyer would take your case unless you ante up some big bucks.





Repeat after me, "once on the net, it is forever!".
Reply:You asked for it.





You can sue for anything. If you sue over this, the loud noise you will here will be your case being laughed out of court.





It pays to advertise.....depending on the quality of the product.
Reply:Sure, you could sue. Try to find some copyright angle and get it into federal court. Good luck!
Reply:Lady, in this country you can always find a lawyer to sue anybody for anything.





By the way, where is that website?
Reply:Probably not.
Reply:if you put it on the web, it's open for all to see. you may feel wronged, but you opened yourself up by posting it in the first place. sorry, sueing is not an option.


remember this, if you don't want others to see something, don't put it on the internet. anything put on the net is public domain. though some things have copyright protections, those protections are limited.
Reply:You did it for fun. Now someone else is having the fun. The internet is made for fun. Do you see a pattern here? No, you cannot sue.
Reply:nope... you can't do a thing but take the pic down, if you can. You messed up man, once you put a pic on the internet everyone can see it.
Reply:No, you put your picture out there on a public forum. (the Internet is public) You essentially gave your permission.
Reply:Yeah go ahead and when the judge says to her where you get the picture she is gonna say oh posted on the internet. The judge is just gonna look at you like you have no sense. Which I kinda think you might not why would post something you don't anyone else seeing that also makes sense
Reply:you put it out there in the first place dumbazz
Reply:Nope. She might have been kinda wrong for distributing it, but she didn't do anything illegal. If you sued, you would lose, because you put it out there for her to do in the first place.
Reply:YOU broke the law. You posted those pictures originally and now you want to sue someone for passing them around? Do you really think the Internet is a private place? Sheesh!





However, the cops and the DA might want to talk to you.
Reply:You put it out yourself for the public to view ! You can`t file SCHITT against her ! Not successfully anyways . If you do , YOU could end up being charged with malicious persecution if she gets herself a good lawyer !





Face it ........ you DIDN`T put that pic on the internet for "fun" ! You put it there in the hope of attracting young females (or males) . Only PERVERTS do this , Edgar !





That pic is going to come back and bite you in the *** ......... hard ! and there`s NOTHING you can do about it ! You put it there for PUBLIC display , and that means "implied" permission for anyone to use it for public display .





What a moron !!
Reply:No, you posted it yourself on internet.


Do i need a visa for irelands?

I am living in spain in barcelona and i heve tow eyars resident. so iwant to go visit in ireland .cen you explen me how can i applay vist visa for ireland thnk's

Do i need a visa for irelands?
http://www.ryanair.com/site/DE/............ to the relevant page..book a flight to irland and thats it.....if your not spanish european then you need to ask elsewhere and you can stay in britain for quite some time before leaving again where you can just come back again...nobody knows you are there really lol








http://www.traveldocs.com/ie/index.htm


Where are my sent messages on MSN Hotmail?!?!?

How come whenever I send a message through hotmail to somebody, it doesn't show up in my sent messages folder? Can someone please explain this to me because in all my eyars of using hotmail I have never had a sent message show up on my sent messages folder and that just irritates me lol :P

Where are my sent messages on MSN Hotmail?!?!?
Keep a record of messages you send


To keep track of messages you send, you can place copies in the Sent Messages folder.


--------------------------------------...





Click the Mail tab.


Click New, and then write your message.


Select Copy Message to Sent Messages Folder below the message area, and then click Send.


Tip





To view saved messages, click the Mail tab, and then click the Sent Messages folder. If you don't see the Sent Messages folder, your folders may be hidden. To show your folders, click the show folders icon in the upper-left corner.





Notes





Messages in the Sent Messages folder are automatically deleted after 30 days.


With a MSN subscription, messages are kept indefinitely in the Sent Messages folder. For more information about the subscriptions available to you, visit the subscription information page.





Messages remain in the Sent Messages folder until you delete them.

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Im Not Happy With my boyfriend?

hi im 20 eyars old and i have been in a relationship for a year an 3 months and i love my boyfriend very much, however we have been having some big issues. he cheated on me with this girl that works with him. i helped him get that job and he slept with this 90 pound girl. When i found out she told me everything. ever since then i have never looked at him the same way. I started talking to this guy a while when this happened but i dont want to rush into a relationship? i dont know what to do?! Im never happy and cant stand being alone, but i dont know what to do. i love my boyfriend and we have been trying to make it work for a while but im sooo confused. i love him so much but he keeps saying that im not doing things a girlfriend would do. like for example write poems, and bring him lunch to work, and stuff like that. and im starting to think im a bad girlfreind, however wen i went over this other guys house i was talking to i brang him food and cleaned his room, whats wrong with me?

Im Not Happy With my boyfriend?
baby girl, you need to know what makes you happy. first, you'll never trust your bf again, nor will you see him in the same light as when you first met him. it's obvious that you're not happy with him. so it's time to kick him to the curb. next, what's wrong with being single for awhile? there is nothing wrong with that. don't rush into another relationship, only when you're sure of it. you don't need a man by your side right now. right now, you just need to know what makes you happy. and life would be much easier if you know how to get it. and stop bringing food and clean this new guy room. it makes you look desperate.
Reply:This guy is definetly not for you.


Find a nice man who deserves your good and dedicated personality.
Reply:just leave him how dare he do that to you beacause you sound like a loving woman .. you should leavehim and i bet you will find someone for you!! good luck
Reply:get rid of him


you'll feel better when he's gone
Reply:Personally I don't think that anything is wrong with that. Of course your not going to do stuff like that all the time. I think that you guys may need a break. You don't need a guy to make you happy. I don't like be alone either. But it is nice not to have anybody to love and tak car of other than yourself. If you are unhappy with your boyfriend hn mayb h isn't right for you. You can love him all you want but it' still dosn't make you happier. And nd th nd you'll find out that it wasn't worth it. Then again you may find that his is mister right. however the fact that h cheated on you doesn't make him the best boyfriend. And as my friends and i would say that ain't a man that's an ***. I'm not trying to put your boyfriend down but is it really worth it? Cause more than likely if he chats on you once he is likely to do it again. Anyway sorry it as so long and good luck
Reply:you b/f is using you more like his maid than his lover.. dump him....
Reply:Then cut him a break and get on with your life. But realize that most guys cheat because there is just too much eye candy out there and these chicks don't care if the guy has a girlfriend or not.





The real problem is a girl who says she loves and takes good care of a guy who treats her like crap. That's like telling him, it's okay for him to do whatever he wants as long as he (eventually) comes home to you. If you had someone who treated you like a princess and you treated them like crap, would you change? Ask yourself, why am I putting up with this guy, not what's wrong with you. It's him, not you.
Reply:you need to dump your boyfriend and get with this other guy. you cleaned his room thats so cute! sorry. anyway, your boyfriend telling you that you "arent doing things a girlfriend should do" is just ludicrous. who has those kinds of ideas? about "things a girlfriend should do"? thats ******* dumb. not to mention he cheated. dump that ******!
Reply:go visit the doc
Reply:You think there's something wrong with you because you have a loser boyfriend who cheats on you? Get rid of the loser, he doesn't love you.
Reply:you should not continue the relationship, because if you choose yes , then you will get a big problem later. he will do that daily , and he may refuse you one day , so leave him and find another guy,
Reply:this is not a complicated question to answer......DUMP HIM!


It's as simple as that!


you will hurt and be upset for a while after but you are only 20 years old! trust me when i say that you'll find someone that respects you better than this idiot that you are dating at the moment.....





start having alittle more respect for yourself!
Reply:he totally sucks, not all girlfriends have to write poems, i wouldnt trust his butt after cheating on u, especially if he works with the b*tch - i believe in the saying "once a cheater, always a cheater".


If you cant look at him in the same way then you never will, get to know this new guy :)


Good luck
Reply:Your boyfriend is trying to make you his slave. I have a firm belief that it should be the man impressing the woman, not the other way around, never clean his room. And tell him if he wants lunch brought to him, he has to do something nice for you, you're not his maid. Get rid of him, he cheats on you and treats you like garbage, it's better being alone than being with him.
Reply:i think you're starting to like the other guy and you're really not happy with your boyfriend. you don't seem to trust him anymore and not interested in changing into the person he wants you to be. take time off alone and re-assess how you really feel... know what/who you really want.
Reply:You are being manipulated.


He cheated on you, get rid of him. Now.


Then be alone for a while to figure out who you are first...and wait for a good relationship to develop with someone who will not be dishonest with you.
Reply:once a cheater, always a cheater. leave him. he doesn't deserve you. don't rush into new relationship yet. take time to enjoy yourself. be single for a while. love yourself first.
Reply:Leave him and become a lesbian you will probably enjoy your life alot more.