When will Christians STOP citing Josephus?

The passage in Antiwuities that mentions Jesus was stuck in there 250 eyars later. Schoalrs who are not committed Fundamentalists conclude that it's bogus.





Here's why:





1) It's stylistically different from the rest of the text.


2) Remove it, and it reads smoothly.


3) No early Christian cites Josephus, as they would if it mentioned Jesus.


4) Origen (185-254) wrote that there's no mention of Jesus in Josephus, AND that he never believed in any Messiah.


5) Interesting how in his book there are a lot of gys named "jesus"-- all in the Hebrew form, Yeshua. EXCEPT in the interpolated text, in which his name is oddly given in its erroneous Greek form, Jesus.


6) In Jewish War, Josephus expresses contempt for all messianic agitators, blaming them for the nation's ruin.


7) He also claims that Vespasian fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies. So how likely is it that he'd gush about Jesus?

When will Christians STOP citing Josephus?
You should give 'em something to look at. Modern biblical scholarship makes a very compelling case for the idea that Jesus never existed... that he was, in fact, entirely fictional.





The Jesus Puzzle


http://jesuspuzzle.humanists.net/home.ht...





Of course, true 'believers' will never look... they're afraid that they might see something that actually makes sense, and will shake the foundations of their faith.
Reply:The interesting thing about the historical existence of Jesus is it doesn't matter. If some person named Yeshua ben Yoseph did live and die at 1st century Palestine, that would not make him devine. He could just have been one of many religious rabble rousers that come up in times of trouble like Joseph Smith or Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, the guy who started Wahhabi Islam.


Don't mean a word of it is true.
Reply:the fact that some use josephus in their arguements is to give a


corelation of secular history that jives with times and events as


written in the Bible.It seems that so many folks try so hard to


prove that what is written in the Bible is folk lore or myth,that when


someone does show a direct link between secular and bible


cronology they immediatly jump on and try to discredit it as un-


true.although in theroy that one shoud accept what a non biblical


author penned.
Reply:What seems to be your major malfunction.


What the H*** do you want?


What an antagonist.


Do you enjoy making people angry?


Do you enjoy aggravating people?


You remind me of my brother -in law.


He went insane.





Even the picture you chose is aggravating.


He kept it up until he just went insane.


He asked for it and he got it.
Reply:Good information.
Reply:Added fact: I have have heard two Rabbis (one Reform and one Orthodox) say that Josephus's writing was more of a tabloid style, alot of hearsay, and cannot be completely believed.
Reply:The bible clearly states when Jesus lived and died. That is my reference. You believe what you want. I believe the bible.
Reply:Eye has not seen nor ear heard!!!!! Explain that to me silly....
Reply:The people who did write about Jesus are said to be unbelievable because their writings got included in what we call the Bible.





If we remove Jesus from Josephus' writings it reads smoothly? I'll bet if we remove him from the Bible things would read smoothly too. And as a bonus, no more arguing about his divinity or existence!
Reply:Blau ,blau, blau! Know one is listening to your nonsense!
Reply:Can`t understand you making such a hoola baloo of something that you don`t believe or being impressed of? It clearly bugs you.